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elie yitzhak's avatar

could you please do a post on egypt ?

arab muslims over there claim that they are ''arabized or islamized '' copts, therefore trying to claim that they are indigenous which couldn't be further from the truth

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Leo Cooper's avatar

Intriguing post Aga, awesome to see you on Substack!

I agree there is a trend for Arabian expansion lineages to have patterns in their structure and TMRCAs for a lot of coalescence to fall in the time frame you identified. But for J-FGC60129 (Top level TMRCA: ca. 300 CE +/- 300 years) and its closest relatives downstream J-ZS10420 (ca. 300 BCE +/- 350 years), why do you think almost all of the samples are Southern Levantines, proximately from Palestine and Jordan? If these are obvious Arabian expansion lineages, why is the clade's distribution skewed so heavily toward the Southern Levant?

Is the idea that J-ZS10420>FGC60129 represents a specific Arabian tribe whose descendants disproportionately ended up in this region? After all, patterns in phylogenetic structure can arise convergently more easily than such patterns in geographic spread, especially given how well tested Arabians are. How might this relate to a clade like J-M10667, which contains Levantines including Palestinians from Gaza and Ramallah within a relatively old clade also downstream J-FGC4415? Might these rather be lineages related to Idumeans and similar populations rather than being tied to Islamic-era Arabian expansions? Thanks for your consideration.

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